Subject: RE: SDL-News: On implementations
From: Kjeld Christensen (DXD) (Kjeld.F.Christensen#dxd.ericsson.se)
Date: Mon Aug 16 1999 - 12:48:50 GMT
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It seems that what is needed is non blocking access functions to the database, and then the environment functions should be polling this. The environment function could also start the thread, and then poll on it.
But to raise another question regarding this. Have anyone ever used SDT to create UNIX or Windows aplications? I can't recall seeing examples from anything but the embedded world.
Telelogic has a kernel for UNIX, but it is a light integrated kernel. If threads are needed, then a tight integration needs to be implemented. Perhaps the demand has never been there!
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Flávio J. Moritz Jr. [mailto:flavio.moritz#digitro.com.br]
> Sent: 13. august 1999 14:46
> To: sdlnews#sdl-forum.org
> Subject: RE: SDL-news: On implementations
>
>
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> -----From "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Fl=E1vio_J._Moritz_Jr.?="
> <flavio.moritz#digitro.com.br> to sdlnews -----
>
> Sure, Yoni.
> We do exactly the same thing here.
> But, lets get back to the database access problem.
> Let's say the SDL application wants to make a query on a
> table stored in a
> MySQL, PostgreSQL or even Oracle database server.
> I can't see how I can use the environment functions to make this query
> without blocking the whole SDL system.
> Because this query will actually be a function call. The
> application will
> return from this function call only after completion of the query.
> So, things would work this way:
> - The SDL process wants to make a query on a DB server, thus sending a
> signal to the environment;
> - xOutEnv is called by the SDT main loop to handle this signal;
> - In xOutEnv, a function from the database client API is
> called to handle
> the query;
> - Query takes a lot of time, meanwhile the SDL system is
> freezed on a DB
> client API function call.
> So I was wondering if I could put this DB function call on a
> separate thread
> and use SDL_Output to send a signal from this thread to the
> original thread
> informing query completion.
> But people at Telelogic told me that SDL_Output is not
> thread-safe. They
> said:
> -- quote ---
> "The solution is to implement a message sending/receiving
> protocol between
> your database thread and the SDLthread. The protocol should
> use XInEnv and
> XOutEnv to send/receive signals to the SDL system."
> -- end quote ---
> Well, that's exactly how we do it now and I tell you, it's
> really boring to
> write this "middleware".
> Unfortunately, I see no exit signal here. Thats the way it
> has to be done.
> Oh, it just occured to me that a thread for you could be
> different from a
> thread for me.
> I'm talking about POSIX threads on UNIX OS processes.
> A child thread shares most of the data from its parent
> thread, while a child
> process doesn't.
>
> Well, anyway, it's wonderful to see that I finally found a
> place to discuss
> this kind of things.
> Thanks.
>
> []'s Flavio
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-sdlnews#sdl-forum.org
> > [mailto:owner-sdlnews#sdl-forum.org]On
> > Behalf Of Yoni Rabinovich
> > Sent: Friday, August 13, 1999 5:49 AM
> > To: 'Fl?vio J. Moritz Jr.'; sdlnews#sdl-forum.org
> > Subject: RE: SDL-news: On implementations
> >
> >
> > The originator of this message is responsible for its content.
> > -----From Yoni Rabinovich <YRABINOV#teledata.co.il> to
> sdlnews -----
> >
> > Hi Flavio,
> >
> > I developed a fairly large telecom application a few
> years ago with
> > Telelogic's SDT (the SDL core of TAU).
> > The way we handled issues like those you raise were by using the
> > "environment" functions (xInEnv, xOutEnv etc.)
> >
> > The xInEnv function is called as part of the main loop of the SDT
> > scheduler. Our SDT application ran on top of the pSOS Real
> > Time OS, as a
> > pSOS task (thread). External applications generated pSOS
> > events when they
> > wanted to pass data to the SDL system. The SDT main loop
> > would check for
> > such events in xInEnv, and translate them into SDL signals
> > sent into the
> > system. We designed it such that the SDL system would not
> > block waiting for
> > inputs from the external applications, so as not to block the
> > SDL system
> > itself. On the other hand, the SDT task would "go to sleep"
> > if there was
> > nothing for it to do (i.e. no internal SDL signals or timers
> > or external
> > events pending).
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Yoni Rabinovitch
> > R&D Team Leader
> > ADC Teledata Communications
> > 7 Ha'sadnaot St, Hertzlia, 46120, Israel
> > email: yrabinov#teledata.co.il
> > Phone: +972-9-9591741
> > Fax : +972-9-9591444
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: flavio.moritz#digitro.com.br
> > [SMTP:flavio.moritz#digitro.com.br]
> > > Sent: 12 August 1999 22:14
> > > To: sdlnews#sdl-forum.org
> > > Subject: SDL-news: On implementations
> > >
> > > The originator of this message is responsible for its content.
> > > -----From "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Fl=E1vio_J._Moritz_Jr.?="
> > > <flavio.moritz#digitro.com.br> to sdlnews -----
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I've been lurking on this list for a while now and
> haven't seen any
> > > discussion on SDL tools.
> > > Well, I not actually interested in talking about the tool
> > itself, but
> > > rather
> > > how people use these tools.
> > > Let me give you an example.
> > > I use Telelogic's tools (TAU) to design telecom applications.
> > > It's (Telelogic's) C code generator implements the application.
> > > Those applications are compiled and run on UNIX boxes.
> > > Whenever I need to access a database server, I use interprocess
> > > communications protocols to send messages to another UNIX
> > process which in
> > > turn uses the database API.
> > > Just because I don't want my "SDL" app to block on a
> > function call while
> > > waiting for the database server.
> > > So, I was wondering. How does anybody else do the same thing ?
> > > How about shrinking this "middleware" into a thread ?
> > > Wouldn't it be better ?
> > > Can you see the kind of conversations I would like to have ?
> > > Is this an appropriate forum for this ?
> > > Can I start this kind of discussions here?
> > > Does anybody knows a better forum for this?
> > > Any mailing lists or newsgroups ?
> > >
> > > Please, don't take me wrong. I find people here very
> > helpful. I just don't
> > > want to bother you with things that aren't of your interest.
> > >
> > > []'s Flávio Moritz
> > >
> > > "The chase is better than the catch."
> > >
> > >
> > > -----End text from "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Fl=E1vio_J._Moritz_Jr.?="
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